Mariana Mazzucato and Stella Creasy on the Global Economy, PART 1

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🗓️ 6 August 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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In this two-part episode recorded in 2018, economist and author Mariana Mazzucato discusses her book, The Value of Everything, with UK Labour MP Stella Creasy. It's a wide-ranging discussion looking at how real wealth is created in our economy and how we can measure the true worth of both infrastructure and services. Mariana Mazzucato is Professor in the Economics of Innovation and Public Value at University College London. We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be. Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2. And if you’d like to get ad-free access to all Intelligence Squared podcasts, including exclusive bonus content, early access to new episodes and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today for just £4.99, or the equivalent in your local currency . Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Intelligent Squared. I'm senior producer Connor Boyle. Today we're
0:05.1	listening back to a conversation from 2018. When we invited the economist
0:09.7	Mariana Mazucato to discuss the ideas found in her book The Value of
0:13.5	Everything with Stella Creasy, the labor MP in the UK. The two are looking to
0:17.6	answer the question who creates real wealth in the world. This is the first
0:21.4	part of a two-part episode discussion. If you'd like to hear the episode
0:24.7	ad-free and enjoy the following part immediately, you can support our mission to
0:28.6	foster honest debate and compelling conversations by heading to Intelligent
0:32.0	Squared.com slash membership or by subscribing to our channel on Apple. Part
0:36.8	two can be heard in the next episode. Here's Stella Creasy with more. Hello, I'm
0:41.2	Stella Creasy MP. Welcome to this week's Intelligent Squared podcast. I'm here
0:46.3	today with Mariana Mazucato, who is the professor in economics and the
0:50.8	economics of Innovation and Public Value, director and founder of the UCL
0:55.2	Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose and author of The Value of
0:59.4	Everything, making and taking in the global economy. We're here today to talk
1:03.7	about this fantastic book. Mariana, welcome. I wonder if we could just start by
1:07.6	you giving us a little flavor of the kind of work that you're covering in this
1:10.5	book and how this follows on from your previous work on the entrepreneurial
1:13.5	state. Okay, sure. Well, first of all, thanks so much for having me. I really
1:16.5	look forward to this conversation. So what I tried to do in the entrepreneurial
1:20.0	state was to get people to really question some basic assumptions they had and
1:26.0	have about the role of the state in the economy as at best being there to
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