This is an exciting episode because you find out as you listen, along with us, whether we will be joined by Paul Williams.

Second time in podcast history, this has happened?

Yes.

The first time was our first ever interview.

Our first ever guest, yeah, because our first ever interview was the author of Black Mass.

Oh, right.

So, yeah, at first guest was Dick Lair. First interview was Dick L of Black Mass. Oh, right. So, yeah, first guest was Dick Lair.

First interview was Dick Lair.

But first person, we were like, hey, let's try out this technology thing.

Because when we got Dick Lair, we like went to his, like, office hours, basically.

And we were like, yo, let's talk.

With Christy Monopoulos, we were just like,

his people said he would come on.

I don't know how, what did we even use?

How would we have recorded a podcast back then?

I believe Skype.

He called us.

Did we, did microphones exist?

How did people do stuff oh rotary microphone we had to

crank it while we were yeah wouldn't be the first time we cranked it during the old park

oh no oh no you hear the stroke out thing yes that was unbelievable that was the best that's of that was

keith i think that was keithernandez like really telling on himself. Yes. What am I a creepy old man? It's like, well, yeah, you just went there. Everyone's going to get on me again for this? It's like, wait, again? Wait, what happened? I've done that before, though. I've talked about that where, like, someone says something and you don't totally, you can tell that they think everybody knows what that thing means. Yeah. And your first thought is, oh, God, it's like a sex thing I don't know how to do or something. I remember when I was younger, somebody was like, doesn't this thing look like an abacus? And I didn't know what an abacus was.

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