Hey, everybody, welcome to the Mere Christians podcast. I'm Jordan Raynor. How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians? Those of us who aren't pastors, we're not religious professionals, but who work as surgeons and lifeguards and real estate agents.

That's the question we explore every week on this podcast, and today I'm posing it to my friend

Marcus Brotherton. He's the New York Times bestselling biographer of a crazy number of books,

co-author of a lot of books with Louis Giglio

and Gary Sinise and many others.

Marcus is one of the few repeat guests we've ever had on the podcast, but I wanted to bring

him back for a very specific topic.

We're talking about discouragement and dismay at work. And specifically,

seven questions Marcus recommends we ask when we're discouraged in our jobs. Throughout this

episode, we talked about examples from both of our careers, clearly mind about how God

has used professional trials for our sanctification.

And we also talked about why Marcus left 10 years of pastoral ministry to become a journalist

and a full-time biographer. I think you guys are going to love this different, super practical,

super encouraging episode with my friend, Marcus Brotherton.

Marcus Brotherton, welcome back to the podcast.

This is very rare that we have returned guests on the mere Christians podcast back then called the

call to mastery. So yeah, this is a, this is an honor, Marcus. I think we've had like two or

three repeat guests. I'm excited. You're back. You were episode 68, which aired back on

November 11th, 2020. For those who haven't listened to that episode yet,

tell us what you do for a living. You have a very specific niche as a writer. Tell us about that.

Yeah, so I'm a full-time author and a co-author. I write my own books about every other year.

I do my own book. And then I help, as a co-author or a collaborative writer,

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