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The Shit No One Tells You About Writing

March Bonus Episode

The Shit No One Tells You About Writing

Bianca Marais, Carly Watters and CeCe Lyra

Education, How To, Fiction, Books, Arts

4.8842 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 119 minutes

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Summary

March’s bonus episode is jam packed. We start off with an engaging conversation, Bianca speaks with author Kerry Clare about her latest novel, 'Definitely Thriving.' They explore the inspirations behind the book, including the influence of Barbara Pym and Rebecca Solnit, and discuss the complexities of writing, character development, and the importance of community and female empowerment in literature. Kerry shares her experiences of writing during the COVID-19 pandemic and reflects on the challenges of marketing unconventional narratives. The discussion highlights the joy of storytelling and the significance of living life on one's own terms.

Part two shifts to Bianca connecting with actor-turned-author Summer N. England. She shares her unconventional path to publishing—going from storytelling on TikTok to landing a literary agent (without ever writing a query letter) and ultimately selling ‘The Impossible Garden of Clara Thorne’ at auction. In this lively conversation, she breaks down her character-first writing process, how her background in acting shapes immersive, physical storytelling, and why platform built from joy—not strategy—can open unexpected doors. 

Part three turns to publishing insider Chris Houston who pulls back the curtain on what actually sells books today—from why traditional publicity timelines are shrinking to just a few months, to the surprising truth that legacy media (like CBC, The Globe and Mail, and the New York Times) still moves the needle more than social media alone. Chris shares candid insights on why most great books go unnoticed, how platform and consistent online presence can build long-term momentum, and why authors must actively partner in their own publicity (no “set it and forget it” allowed). He also shares why investing in publicity is really an investment in your entire writing career. 

Don’t forget to stick around for another comps episode with Emilie Sommer of East City Book Shop!

Note: CeCe Lyra is a literary agent at Wendy Sherman Associates. If you’d like to query CeCe, please refer to the submission guidelines at www.wsherman.com. Carly Watters is a literary agent at P.S. Literary Agency, but her work on this podcast is not affiliated with the agency, and the views expressed by Carly on this podcast are solely that of her as a podcast co-host ​and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, policies, or position of P.S. Literary Agency.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, I'm going to keep this short because I know how busy you are.

0:04.3

I just wanted to let you know that the next beta reader matchup is almost upon us.

0:09.2

Submit your 3,000 words by 12 p.m. Eastern Time on the 1st of April

0:14.4

and you will get your beta reader matchup emails on the 2nd of April.

0:19.7

For more information and to register, go to Bianca

0:23.0

Moray.com.

0:28.6

Hi there and welcome to our show. The ship no one tells you about writing. I'm bestselling author Bianca Murray, and I'm joined by Cece Leera of Wendy Sherman Associates and Carly Waters of PS Literary.

0:46.3

Hey, everyone.

0:47.5

Today's guest is the author of the novels Asking for a Friend, Waiting for a Star to Fall, and Mitzi Bites, an editor of the M-word,

0:56.1

Conversations about Motherhood, a National Magazine Award nominated essayist, an editor of Canadian

1:03.2

Books website, 49th shelf.com, she writes about books and read at her long-time blog, Pickle Me This.

1:10.6

She lives in Toronto with her family.

1:13.3

It's my pleasure to welcome back, Kerry Claire. Kerry, welcome back to the show.

1:18.2

Thank you for having me back. It's wonderful to speak to you because Kerry, for those of you who are

1:24.6

listening, is one of my favorite literary citizens.

1:28.5

You cannot go to a book launch, a book signing, a library event without Kerry being there

1:36.4

in support of other authors.

1:38.2

So Kerry, thank you for setting such a good example for the rest of us.

1:42.3

I don't know.

1:42.7

You do the same.

1:43.7

So that's really nice to hear.

1:45.3

Thank you. All righty. So let's go into the book itself. I'm going to read a synopsis.

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