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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

You know, Ron Janix, I have to tell you this, sometimes in the past,

when we mentioned the event of which your co-owner, contact in the desert, we kind of lampoon it, like contact in the desert,

desert being something else or conflict in the desert. But I have to tell you, nothing personal here. Okay, good. I wanted to get that

out of the way, so you won't hate us till later. Terrific. Okay. Obviously, you've been doing this for a long

time. What got you interested in the paranormal community?

I'm one of those guys that's always been interested. It didn't take me an experience like many

people in this community. They've had some sort of an experience. I haven't. It's just something

that I was drawn to. I became interested in. Just like everybody else else it's the usual suspects it's you know

art bell coast to coast you know reading whitley streber early book communion and and van

dan again and all that and those are the kind of things that just they just seem so curious to me

and so interesting to me and that just sort of sucked me in. And then, of course,

you want to read more. And the more and more you get involved in it, the more you get interested

in it, the more you feel like, why aren't more people paying more attention to this? Because

there does seem to be something of value here. Do you have any conclusions or are you at the point

of, well, there's something going on,

but I don't know? That's where I'm at. There's something going on. I don't know. But I do feel

there's enough to warrant a serious take. There's enough to warrant a serious scientific investigation.

And I'm frustrated by how much of the world just dismisses this out of hand

without looking at the facts. You know, the old Stanton Friedman, don't bother me with the facts

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