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Okay, we've got Mark Marin, Dana, who I see a lot of the comedy store, comedian, obviously a huge podcaster, one of the OG podcasters that had always, you could always hear, he's still going with it,

but, you know, it was all the big names, all the interesting stuff. And I see him do stand-up all the time, and I run into him a lot, and he's a good dude. And we talked, we were just curious about,

like, because he and Rogan on a few others kind of started in like oh nine oh eight oh nine

a podcasting when it was just like a caveman with no audience and who would do that and then it grew

to this bohemath and i i he he got president baroque obama on his podcast and to do his, he had to drive way up in the middle of nowhere in the middle of L.A.

And so that was a big thing.

So we do talk about his journey.

It wasn't easy all the time.

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