I'm in Takapi. This is Nick Estes with the Red Nation podcast. We are joined today by two special guests.

We have Kelly Lytle Hernandez and Maria So.

We're talking about a project that both of them are working on called mapping deportations.

But before we get into that, I'll just give some brief bios of our two guests today.

We'll start with Maria So, who's a Dene cartographer and GIS specialist with the Million Dollar Hoods project at the Ralph J. Bunch Bunch Center for African American Studies at UCLA.

She primarily works as a member of the Million Dollar Hoods, a university-based and community-driven research

project mapping and documenting the human and fiscal costs of mass incarceration in Los Angeles,

situated within the larger project of ending mass incarceration.

Her most recent work includes mapping deportations, which we'll be talking about today.

It's a website that uses maps, data, and timelines to unmask. Recent work includes mapping deportations, which we'll be talking about today.

It's a website that uses maps, data, and timelines to unmask the history of racism and U.S. Immigration Enforcement, alongside the indigenous women-led organization, Communidades, Indigenas, and Li

Liederasco, I really apologize about my, it's late in the day for me, so my Spanish is bad.

She created the We Are Mapping Indigenous Migrant Languages, Interactive Map, depicting Los Angeles,

nearly 11,000 speakers of 17 different indigenous migrant languages.

And I have some questions about that because it's a really fascinating project.

In the summers, you'll find Maria sharing her data and technology skills at UCLA's big data for Justice Summer Institute.

And she holds BAs from Scripps College

and Environment, Economics, and an MS from Redlands University and Geographic Information Systems.

And Professor Kelly Lytle Hernandez is the Thomas E. Lifka endowed chair in history at UCLA, one of the nation's leading experts

on race, immigration, and mass incarceration. She's the author of the award-winning books, Migra,

a history of the U.S. Border Patrol, a city of inmates, conquest, rebellion, and the rise of Human Caging in Los Angeles, and Bad Mexicans, Race, Empire, and Revolution in the Borderlands, two of which I've read, I've read Migra and City of Inmates.

I highly recommend both. Her forthcoming book is Still Racist, U.S. Immigration, since 1790, and that's set to be published by W.W. Norton in 2026, in honor of the 250th anniversary of the United States.

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