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Hi there, I'm Azim Azar, and you're listening to Exponential View.

Every week I come together with a brilliant mind to explore how exponential technologies are shaping

on near future.

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Now, my guest today is Professor Kate Crawford.

She is a leading scholar on the social implications of artificial intelligence.

She's a research professor, USC Annanburg, the inaugural chair of AI and Justice at the

Equal Nohamel Superior in Paris, and a senior principal researcher at Microsoft Research.

Now, you might be used to thinking about AI as an abstract computational system, bundles of code and algorithms and data

that do clever and even useful things.

In Kate's recent book, The Atlas of AI, she challenges us to see artificial intelligence in a much wider context

as a technology that is built from physical materials that consumes energy that relies on layers of human labour

with worldwide social, environmental and economic effects.

Far from being a neutral tool, AI is, as Kate puts it, politics all the way down.

Kate, welcome to exponential view.

It's such a pleasure to be here, is it?

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