Manolis Kellis: Hidden Patterns Linking DNA, Evolution, and Mind

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2024

⏱️ 120 minutes

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MIT computational biologist Manolis Kellis explores hidden patterns that connect DNA, evolution, and cognition, proposing a unifying framework that bridges biology, AI, and the essence of life. The conversation examines how genetic information functions like language and what this means for our understanding of consciousness.- 00:00 - Introduction- 02:05 - The Scope of Biological Unification- 06:02 - Biology vs. Physics- 09:31 - DNA as Life’s Language- 13:45 - The Universal Compatibility of DNA- 16:55 - Evolutionary Trade-Offs and Isolation- 20:17 - Layers of Abstraction in Biology- 24:51 - Beyond DNA: The Role of Histones- 30:30 - Protein Folding and Function- 35:26 - How Cells Interpret DNA Signals- 40:24 - The Creativity of Language and Miscommunication- 44:55 - Teaching and Simplification- 51:09 - Evolution of Cognition and Centralized Decision-Making- 57:35 - Vertical vs. Horizontal Evolution- 1:04:20 - Specialization and Society’s Role in Evolution- 1:08:50 - The Future of Biological UnderstandingSPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOERESOURCES:- New Substack! Follow my personal writings and EARLY ACCESS episodes here: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Manolis Kellis’s Lab (website): https://compbio.mit.edu/- Manolis Kellis’s profile: https://web.mit.edu/manoli/- Curt’s article on language: https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/language-isnt-just-low-resolution- Chiara Marletto on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uey_mUy1vN0- Roger Penrose on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGm505TFMbU- Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)- Listen to TOE on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Become a YouTube Member Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Join TOE's Newsletter 'TOEmail' at https://www.curtjaimungal.org- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	This is mind-boggling. We now are sitting in this extraordinary convergence that allows us to
0:06.2	peek into the building blocks of biology, into the building blocks of disease, into the heterogeneity
0:12.8	of different individuals, different patients, different tissue, different organs, different cell types
0:17.7	at a scale that was unfathomable 20 years ago. I think ahead of us
0:23.2	might be the most complex challenge yet. Deep within the laboratories of MIT, a computational
0:32.7	biologist has uncovered a pattern that appears everywhere in nature, from single cells to human societies,
0:40.5	from bacterial evolution to artificial intelligence. Professor Manolus Kellis, a leader in
0:48.2	computational biology at MIT and Harvard's Broad Institute, has spent decades piecing together a new type of unification
0:56.8	theory, one that explains everything from biology to cognition to language and meaning.
1:04.0	Now, this is remarkable because unlike physics, which follows unchanging laws, biology
1:10.5	seems to operate through endless tinkering,
1:13.1	constantly rewriting its own rules. This unification task seems hopeless. However, today I have a treat
1:20.3	as I traveled to MIT to have this in-depth conversation in person. Kellis reveals how this
1:26.6	unifying principle could transform medicine,
1:29.4	unleash new breakthroughs in AI, and fundamentally change our understanding of what makes life
1:35.2	unique. With expert exposition, Kellis takes us on a journey through all adaptive systems
1:41.3	from DNA to consciousness.
1:47.8	Professor Monolos-Kales, we're here at MIT.
1:50.9	Thank you for inviting me to your spacious office.
1:53.7	It's a real pleasure to be here with you, Kurt.
1:55.8	I've truly enjoyed our interaction so far.
1:58.0	It's been a pleasure.
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