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One, it's had the most calamitous consequences for me.

And I regret ever having been introduced to him in the first place.

Whatever is true as far as politics and public office are concerned, for Peter Madelson,

this is the end.

They have a moral obligation to share what they knew so that the victims can help find the justice that they've been denied for so long.

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And I'm Kieran Stacey.

You're listening to Politics Weekly Westminster for The Guardian.

Welcome to the broom cupboard.

In more than one way, we are on video today as well as on audio.

Very exciting pilot.

Obviously, we've moved all the brooms that were normally stacked in the corner, the mops. Do you know what? I've had a listener tell me before he didn't really believe that this room was as small and as kind of decrepit as we were making out. But look, there is visual evidence now. This is a tiny, soundproofed, grey box of a room that we have to cram into once a week. And even if the camera isn't moving, I can assure you that when I put my left arm out, my fingers touch the wall.

This way, they touch Kieran.

And my fingers don't even get anywhere, can't get past the wall at all.

And our producer currently is sat on a table also within touching distance.

So, welcome. And welcome back to you as well, because you got off a plane from China, less than 24 hours ago, or about 24 hours.

Just over. Yeah, 5.30 on Sunday morning. How are you feeling? I try not to yawn. And you have to

forgive me if I do. It's not that you're boring me, Kieran, or that these subjects aren't very

interesting. It's just that over the last me, Kieran, or that these subjects aren't very interesting.

It's just that over the last, I'm losing track of days, but since Tuesday 7am, I had 20 hours sleep. Oh, my God. Which wasn't a huge amount. We caught up with you, I think, on Thursday. But how was the rest of the China trip? You went to Japan on the way back. What a fantastic thing to do. Yeah, well, Kirstama popped into Japan given he was over that part of the world to see the Japanese

prime minister for a quick bilateral meeting. And the journalists were basically given four

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