Today, we're going to talk about the chaos that was the bipartisan infrastructure bill

and the reconciliation package this past week.

I interview Nancy Northup, the president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights,

which is representing Dr. Braden Court, the physician who wrote not-bed admitting he'd

given a Texas woman an abortion in violation of the new abortion ban.

And I'm joined by Ben Wickler, chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, about the work

he's doing to help elect Democrats in one of the closest swing states in the nation.

I'm Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie.

So whether you're paying close attention to politics or not, I'm sure you've heard

about the mayhem happening right now between the bipartisan infrastructure package or the

bipartisan infrastructure framework, the BIF, which includes all of the traditional

infrastructure priorities like roads, bridges, and so on, and the reconciliation package,

which comprise the rest of the bill back better agenda, the human infrastructure, all

of the climate provisions, care economy, social spending, and so on.

And since the outset, everyone knew that these two bills were moving forward in tandem.

Like it was so understood that they were linked and that the passage of one was contingent

on the passage of the other, that even Biden said outright that he wasn't going to pass

one without the other.

I expect that in the coming months this summer, before the fiscal year is over, that

we will have voted on this bill as well as the infrastructure bill, as well as voted

on the budget resolution.

And that's when, but if only one comes to me, this is only me that comes, but I'm not

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