Dr Caroline Leith, hello and welcome to iWay, what an honour to have you here.

Oh, thank you so much, it's an honour to be with you, lovely to meet you.

Oh, thank you so much for making time today. I so appreciate everything that you do and everything

you talk about and it really resonates with me and it's resonated with a lot of people, people

have been sending me your videos and your work for a long time and so it's really nice to have a

chance to kind of explore some of your ideas that I found so inspiring with you today.

First things first, how are you? Oh, I'm good, I'm good, I'm excited to be released on your

book tomorrow and being busy with all kinds of, you know, all the work that you know with

media is like getting everything together so it's been fun. 100%. And how does it feel the

process of trying to put out something that is a relatively like fresh and new idea that

somewhat goes against the grain of current big farmer. Biomedical. I don't know, I mean the biomedical

model, yeah. How does that go for someone? Because I've always wondered what it's like to be

on the receiving end of maybe some scrutiny and doubt. Yeah, you get it, you get people that

will say to you, well, you know, prove that and fortunately I've got the science and

fortunately I publish I can do that. But a lot of people will say things like, well does that mean

that, you know, there's no such thing as ADHD or no such thing as clinical depression?

You know, and I always say to them, well, you know, it's just a way of reframing it. That's

instead of looking at a diagnosis, let's look at it as a description. It's just that people do

challenge, but it's exciting because people are desperate and you know, the situation is

natal health has never been handled very well. But the last 40 years, it's really the way that

it's become a sort of chemical stray jacket and also just a very reduction of sick approach has

not helped anyone, you know, and well, I shouldn't say not helped anyone because some people have

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