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Robert Wright's Nonzero

Managing the Tragedy of Great Power Politics (Robert Wright & Justin Logan)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

Nonzero

News & Politics, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.7618 Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2022

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

What is the restrainer coalition and how cohesive is it really? ... Justin: Realism opposes forever wars -- but holds that war is forever ... The challenge Russia-Ukraine poses to the restrainer community ... How the US should respond to the China-Taiwan crisis ... Does the rise of China threaten American security? ... Bob: Taking adversaries’ perspectives doesn’t equal justifying their behavior ... Can the US deter a Chinese invasion of Taiwan forever? ... Should the US make Taiwan a pricklier porcupine or China a more satisfied panda? ... Quincy represents restraint, but CATO was restraint-minded before it was cool ...

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0:00.0

You're listening to a podcast from Blogging Heads TV.

0:09.0

Hi, Justin.

0:10.6

Hello, Bob.

0:11.5

How you doing?

0:12.9

Well, fine.

0:14.6

Excellent.

0:15.5

Let me introduce this.

0:16.3

I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter.

0:18.6

This is a Non-Zero podcast.

0:20.3

You are Justin Logangan let me read

0:22.3

your title for you in case you've forgotten it you're director of defense and foreign policy

0:26.4

studies at the cato institute which that covers the waterfront so far as certainly so far as this

0:32.5

conversation is concerned i want to talk about a few things today with you. One is America's policy toward

0:40.6

China, especially with respect to Taiwan, something that I think you're something of an expert on.

0:46.4

I mean, it's a pretty high-level item in your bio, your interest in Chinese strategy. I want to talk

0:53.3

a little about something else that is mentioned in your kind of boilerplate

0:57.8

Cato bio, which is a grand strategy.

1:02.5

But I want to start out talking about something a little different, which is the so-called

1:08.0

restrainer coalition.

1:13.9

As we will soon discover, that's a name you don't like.

1:25.7

But it's a kind of a left-right coalition that shares a skepticism about American foreign policy broadly, certainly including its militaristic dimension.

1:30.8

And there's been talk, in fact, there's been talk on a podcast I did last week with Derek

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