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That's HBS. M.E. slash work. out. What does burn out mean to you? I have burn out on the brain these days, partly because we were preparing for this episode.

And now I feel as if I see it everywhere.

Am I seeing it everywhere?

Is it a figment of my imagination?

Mm-hmm. How about you, Amy Jay?

I want to know if I have burnout. I'm a little afraid of having this conversation

because maybe I've been burned out for a long time and not noticing it.

So it's one of those things, do you look closely and discover things you don't want to discover.

Oh God.

Yes, I mean I have been burnt out and gotten over it, but I still feel like I'm constantly

on the verge of burnt out, like it's around every corner and it's terrible. So I just want to know like what causes

burnout or why does it keep coming back and is there anything that I can do about

it. Oh yeah what do we do about it? What do we do about it? What do we do about it. Oh yeah what do we do about it? What do we do about it? Yeah. Yeah. get answers to our questions, we reached out to Mandy O'Neil, who joined us from a studio in Berkeley, California.

I can hear myself really well. I wonder if I turn out...

There she is. That's good.

Mandy's an associate professor of management at the George Mason University School of Business and she's a senior scientist at the University's Center for the Advancement of Well-being.

Hi.

Hi, Mandy, this is Amy Bernstein.

And this is Amy Gallo. Hi there. Hi, Mandy, this is Amy Bernstein. And this is Amy Gallo.

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