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Coming up today, United came from behind to earn a point at the city ground and are now unbeaten since September.

Or United threw away a fourth consecutive league win, letting Forrest score twice inside 90 seconds just after half time.

Can both of those things be true?

We'll take a proper look at the two-all drawer in Nottingham.

Everyone's here.

It's a late-night edition of Talk of the Devils.

If you watch it on YouTube, you'll see it's exactly that.

It's been a hard job.

Everyone getting together post-match.

So we've finally done it. My apologies, it's mainly my fault, if I'm honest. But we're here now, and that's the main thing. And thank you for joining us. So hello, Laurie, Carl and Andy. We okay? Oh, good, mate. Yes, yes, yes. You even volunteered to give up hosting duties for this scene, which was very magnanimous of you to make us record earlier, but we all realised that it would be awful at it, so we thought, please, just you do it. Well, I mean, I didn't want to delay what the people wanted, and that's a, you know, a reaction to Manchester United drawing to all at Nottingham Forest. I don't want to stand in the way of these things. And Carl, you were there. there are two different ways to look at it I sort of set that out at the top there

and Nottingham Forest. I don't want to stand in the way of these things. And Carl, you were there. There are two different ways to look at it. I sort of set that out at the top there. And actually looking at the reaction that we've had to the result as well, it seems like everyone has got a view one way or the other. It's Manchester United after all, right? It is Manchester United, right? It was a rollercoaster 90 rollercoaster 90 minutes. At half time, Manchester night was second in the Premier League table, and at full time, they were, I want to say, seventh. They're in eighth now, which, considering where we were in Bilbao, and considering we were in preseason previews of, would you take United finishing eighth? We were all sort of, yeah, yeah okay that's maybe where they're going to be there or thereabouts it was a very strange game in the

city ground press box you're not too divided up from the rest of the fans in that section and

there was someone sat to my left who was just constantly shouting seconds for a seconds seconds

um so i was mildly pleased to hear an opposition fan getting annoyed at how physical Manchester Knight were playing, considering how last season has went. He wasn't talking about his dinner. No, he wasn't talking about his dinner. He's been watching a nuno-notting and Forrest side and now he's watching a show on Daich, Nottingham For his side. There's a lot of seconds going on. That was the thing, Andy, really. And, you know, we'll try and look at some of the positive takes from the game first, if we can. The fact that United were going up against a Forrest Side in their first home Premier League game, all right, it's the third match and there's all these different first when managers first take over. But his first game was a two-no win over Porto. He were going pretty well in Portugal, to be fair, that's a good result for Forrest in the Europa League. So it's not a bad result for United, is it? And I think the way that the game went, actually, would United have taken a point from that last season?

It doesn't feel like it.

Probably.

I think you're framing it in the right way because there's a big but here.

It is better than last season.

Ruben Amarin said as much.

He said we would have lost that game last year and I think that is a fair comment to make.

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