Hello and welcome to another episode of the City Journal podcast.

I am your host, Rafael Menguil.

So excited to be joined by two of my wonderful colleagues.

We've got Tau Fork gang, Jim Copeland, Jim Copeland, who hired me when I joined Manhattan Institute back in 2015.

So he is the one to blame for anything that I do or say that you don't like.

Welcome to the show, gentlemen.

Thank you.

So we are living in interesting times here in New York City, where we are all gathered on this dreary day.

We're coming off a mayoral election in which Zohran Mamdani, probably one of the more radical

candidates that we've seen run for that office, has emerged victorious.

And as New York City's incoming mayors do, Zoroan Mamdani made his way to the White

House recently to meet with President Trump, perhaps New York City's most famous, now former resident,

you know, a man who made his life and career in arguably the greatest city in the world. I certainly would argue that.

And it's interesting because Zohran Mamdani has positioned himself very much as an opponent of Donald

Trump. He is sort of the antithesis of the Maga movement. And Donald Trump certainly has not held back on his criticisms of Zohrammdani and his ilk.

So I think a lot of people were expecting fireworks after that White House meeting. And to everyone's surprise, and I think a lot of people, chagrin, when the two of them came out for their little, you know, media appearance,

their joint media effort, they were very friendly. And I think it threw everyone for a loop.

So what I want to talk about today is just what we make of that. I mean, I think a lot of people,

you know, may suspect that Donald Trump

just gets off on, you know, living in a way that's in Congress with broader expectations.

And if you look at some of the looks on Zohraamam Dani's face, I think, you know, those moments

caught him by surprise, too. What do you think was up with that? I mean, Donald Trump has

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