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read them or send them to friends or see what you think. And I'd love your feedback if you

have any thoughts. All the essays on We Found Time are written by authors who have been on this

podcast already. So it's original content and I think it's really awesome. So I really hope you'll

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I'm here today with Mallory Kazden, who's the author of Ella, a hilarious, smart children's book published by Viking Children's Books.

Ella made Entertainment Weekly's top 10 must list and was featured in Time, Vogue, the LA Times, and the New York Post.

Mallory is the host and producer of Milk Podcast, Moms I'd Like to Know.

She also hosts the podcast How to Raise a Parent from Slate Studios and Dairy Pure and Coffee and Cranes from Slate Studios and Target. She's a professional voiceover actor for TV and radio. Mallory has contributed to the Washington Post and has produced arts and culture pieces for public radio. Kaveller called The Milk Podcast, one of the 11 parenting podcasts you need in your life. My podcast is on that list, too. Anyway, she currently lives in Brooklyn

with her family. Welcome, Mallory. Thanks for coming on. Momsdon have time to read books. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. This is so fun. At first, I only knew you because of your amazing podcast, Milk, Mothers, I'd like to know. Thank you. And now you have this children's book that I somehow didn't know about that came out five years ago,

which thank God you sent it to me because now my daughter is like obsessed. And now you have this children's book that I somehow didn't know about that came out five years ago,

which thank God you sent it to me because now my daughter is like obsessed as you saw the stairs.

And it's so great.

So I want to talk to you about all of it.

So thank you.

I'm excited.

So tell me about Ella, this book.

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