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CONFLICTED

Mali’s Crisis is Not What it Seems

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

History, Religion & Spirituality

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

As we eagerly await Aimen’s return to Conflicted next week, today Wassim Nasr returns to the show. As only Wassim can, he draws on his expertise of the Sahel to explain the remarkable events in Mali over the past several weeks — events which Aimen forecast on the show back in January. Wassim explains: France’s failed counterterrorism strategy in Mali JNIM’s emergence from AQIM and local insurgencies Iyad Ag Ghaly’s political and jihadist leadership The junta’s repression and strategic miscalculations The JNIM–FLA alliance in northern Mali The 25 April 2026 coordinated attacks Negotiating with Islamists after the War on Terror Join the Conflicted Community here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Wassim on X: https://x.com/SimNasr Find us on X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/MHconflicted⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ And Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ And Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/conflictedpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠megaphone.fm/adchoices⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Conflicted is a Message Heard production. Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren. Produced and edited by Thomas Small. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:44.8

It's always such a joy to see your friendly, smiling face and to have access to your enormous brain full of information, specifically information about Molly. This time I've asked you on to help us make sense of the events that began in Mali on the

1:50.5

25th of April, so just a couple of weeks ago, even less.

1:55.0

And back in January, we with Ayn, I with Ayn, did an episode on Molly. A-M-N-forecast something like what happened.

2:04.2

So you're here.

2:05.5

You're going to tell us what happened.

2:06.8

You're going to help us maybe understand what's going to happen.

2:10.4

Let's get right into it.

2:27.7

Okay, Wasim, Molly, you, just to remind the dear listeners, because they may associate you mainly with Syria.

2:36.0

You've been on the show mainly to talk about Syria, but actually, you have equally cut your teeth in the Sahel region. I mean,

2:41.1

you are really one of the world experts on the jihadist groups that have come to dominate terrorize pillage and possibly govern that region for a long time. And, you know,

2:49.4

you're very trusted by the jihadist groups you know the leaders

2:52.5

to some extent you've broken many important stories so you are a genuine expert on the Sahil

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