There's some great work done in military decision making, like the famous study of the Bay of Pigs.

Why did Kennedy do something so unbelievably stupid in the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1962, I guess it was, 61?

And the answer is that he had no diversity whatsoever in his group of advisors.

Not ethnic or genuidiversity.

That was the 60s.

They're all those going to be white men.

But like, everybody thought the same.

I'm Ricky Mulvey, and that's Malcolm Gladwell.

He's the best-selling author of Outliers and Blank and host of the podcast Revisionist History.

His latest book is Revenge of the Tipping Point, Overstories, Super Spreaders, and the Rise of Social Engineering.

My co-host, Dylan Lewis, caught up with Gladwell for a conversation about the book,

why the 1990s were a more optimistic time than today, how entrepreneurs could rethink

insurance, and why Gladwell only checks his investments once a year.

I think when I originally read the tipping point and when I went back to it in prep for this conversation,

was struck by this idea that the book is very optimistic in its outlook.

And it's very much about small ways to create larger change.

And revenge in the title here has a bit of a different connotation to it.

And on the one hand, I mean, I think it's a little bit of the era we're in.

We have so many reasons to be very optimistic.

We have AI as this kind of magic type technology.

We have just addressed a worldwide pandemic in record time.

That's incredible.

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