Hi there, I'm Chris Duffy, host of How to Be a Better Human, another TED podcast.

Most of us want to be better, but we're not quite sure where to begin, and our show is here to help.

On our podcast, you'll hear from guests and TED speakers who might just make you a better human,

from standing up for what you believe in to challenging conventional wisdom, embracing rejection,

or finding gratitude every day, our show is your guide to becoming a little less terrible.

Not that you're terrible right now, I think you're great, but on something me become a little less

terrible and maybe you'll pick up something along the way. You can find How to Be a Better Human

wherever you're listening to this.

I'm Adam Grant, and this is Taken for Granted, my podcast with the TED Audio Collective.

I'm an organizational psychologist, and my job is to rethink how we work, lead, and live.

My guest today is familiar to listeners of Worklife, actually to pretty much anyone who listens to

podcasts or reads books, Malcolm Gladwell. Malcolm and I find ourselves on stage together

about once a year, and he's my favorite sparring partner. It's the closest I'll ever come to being

the karate kid, or Rocky Balboa. A few weeks ago, as part of the tour for my new book Think Again,

Malcolm and I did a live chat on the audio platform Clubhouse about what we're rethinking.

It built on a relic discussion we had back when Malcolm was on tour for his most recent book.

So we're going to do something unusual here. We're going to play the highlights from both conversations.

In the fall of 2019, I hosted Malcolm in my Authors at Warden series. He was launching his book,

Talking to Strangers. It's about why we misread people who we have limited information on.

The book discusses judgments that police officers make, especially of people of color.

And although the world has changed some since we recorded that conversation,

I think you'll find many of Malcolm's observations on race, particularly pressioned.

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