Hi there, I'm Chris Duffy, host of How to Be a Better Human, another TED podcast.

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On our podcast, you'll hear from guests and TED speakers who might just make you a better human,

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Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tank.

I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking. Today's conversation is with Annie Duke,

World Poker Champion, and Decision-making expert. Annie's the best-selling author of Thinking and

Bets, and a new book, Quit. If anyone knows when to fold, it's Annie. So I brought her to the

Authors at Wharton Series I host to discuss When to Grit and When to Quit at Work as well as at Home.

Hello everyone, welcome to Authors at Wharton.

So delighted to have Annie Duke. Annie, welcome. Thank you for having me. I would just like to,

before we start, point out that my research assistant on the book is sitting right here.

So, so, this is Antonio, big hand for him.

So, Annie, are you a quitter? Total quitter. I'm a quitter and a gritter,

because obviously, like, you can't succeed at something if you haven't stuck to it.

So, obviously, I was very successful in Poker, for example, so I stuck to it.

But I'm also like a humongous quitter, and I think that's a little bit the point, right,

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