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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Malcolm Gladwell on the danger of joining consensus opinions

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2016

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

Malcolm Gladwell needs no introduction (though if you didn't know the famed author has launched a podcast, you should — it's called Revisionist History, and it's great.).Gladwell's work has become so iconic, so known, that it's become easy to take it for granted. But Gladwell is perhaps the greatest contrarian journalist of his generation — he looks at things you've seen before, comes to conclusions that are often the opposite of the conventional wisdom, and then leaves you wondering how you could ever have missed what he saw. To see something new in something old is a talent, it's a process, and it's what we discuss, in a dozen different ways, in this episode. Among the topics we tackle:-How Gladwell got started at the Washington Post after being fired from another job for waking up late-Gladwell’s high school zine based on personal attacks and Bill Buckley-How Canadians are disinclined to escalate conflicts-The value and nature of boredom in childhood-How people reflexively pile on to convenient narratives -How the economics of media might be influencing its current tone-Why pickup trucks today are so much larger than they used to be-His insights about the current identity of journalists as a culture-Why podcasting is different from writing for the page/screen-Why talking about numbers can be difficult in audio-How the internet will one day seem like an experiment gone completely awry-Why you shouldn’t have satellite radio in your car-Whether more individualized education is a a good idea-The importance of people who are above average though not exceptionalThis is a fun conversation, but it's also a useful one. It's hard to look at something that is believed to be understood and realize it's been misunderstood. Hell, it's hard to look at something that is believed to be understood and take seriously the idea that it might have been misunderstood. This is Gladwell's great skill — it is the product of both a process and an outlook, and it's worth hearing how he does it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to another episode of The Ezra Klanschew.

0:39.6

My guest today is Malcolm Gladwell, who is the author of Among Many Others, The Tipping

0:44.6

Point Blink Goliath.

0:47.1

He is a great, great, great journalist.

0:49.1

He also has a new and fantastic podcast called Revisionist History, where he's been

0:55.2

looking at things that we think we know about and taken them from a very different angle.

1:01.0

It is a fantastic, fantastic podcast.

1:03.8

If you're not listening to it, you should be.

1:06.8

I was excited that we were able to talk today.

1:08.9

We got very deep around journalism, around our approaches to it, around the ways in which

1:15.1

it can function as a guild and an industry and how that, I think, is at certain points,

1:19.4

made Gladwell feel a little bit outside of it.

1:21.6

He talks about a lot about his process, about when he gets concerned, because maybe he

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