Finally, from us, settle in with author Malcolm Gladwell, who says he doesn't trust people who don't change their minds.

He recently sat down with Amna Nawaz for our new video podcast to discuss that and revisit his first book, The Tipping Point, 25 years later.

I wanted to ask you about this because this has really stood out to me about you and the way you talk about your work

and the way you are willing to revisit your own work and to say, I got something wrong.

And the crime example, as you've mentioned, I know you wrote about the tipping point

that the broken windows policing policies in New York where the idea that little crimes

could be tipping point for big crimes.

And we know over time now years later how that led to very harmful policing policies like

stop and frisk and disproportionately targeting black and brown people.

And you have come out since then and said, we were wrong.

I was part of that and I'm sorry.

And it was so striking to me to have someone with your kind of platform and voice say something

like that so definitively.

So I wondered if you tell me a little bit about what fed that decision and how hard that

was to come out and say, I was wrong.

Well, it wasn't hard at all.

No?

Because I do it all time.

If you knew me, you would know that my wife is always like, she's, she, I so consistently

change my mind on things, she's looking at me and she's like, because I'll express an opinion.

And she'll be like, well, you could change your mind tomorrow.

And I go, yeah, actually.

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