It would be easy for people to assume that you're spending all your time just trying to save the world.

And I think one of the things you've done for a lot of people is you've role-modeled.

It's actually okay to take risks and try things that might be frivolous.

Yeah, I mean, I do want to clarify.

I'm not recommending everybody climbs a rooftop.

Like, that's not the point.

Imagine like, oh, Malala inspired me doing what? Study? No, a rooftop. Like, that's not the point. Imagine like, oh, Malala inspired me doing

what? Study? No, climb rooftop. Hey, everyone, it's Adam Graham. Welcome back to Rethinking,

my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist,

and I'm taking you inside the minds

of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is Malala, activists for girls' education and women's empowerment, and the youngest

Nobel Peace Laureate in history.

I've known her for over a decade, so I wanted to bring you a more personal look at how her life has evolved.

Bilala became a public figure when she was still a child, and her new book, Finding My Way

is her effort to take control of her own story again.

We talk about how she navigated sudden fame so young, why she changed her mind

about marriage, her struggles with saying no, and her thoughts on a shared interest of ours, magic.

This has been my childhood dream to be able to do magic tricks. It just amazes me that you can like make people

believe in magic. I love the feeling when you know that something impossible has happened.

So yeah, I love car tricks. Car tricks are really impressive. And all the time we've spent together,

how have we never done car tricks? They're my favorite too. I know, but I'm under a lot of

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