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🗓️ 5 November 2025
⏱️ 127 minutes
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Malala Yousafzai (Finding My Way, I Am Malala, He Named Me Malala) is an education activist, Nobel Prize laureate, and author. Malala joins the Armchair Expert to discuss having a relatively normal life until a militant organization took over her valley in Pakistan, becoming an activist simply to respond to her new oppressive reality, and how lucky she was to have a male ally in her father. Malala and Dax talk about feeling like a fish out of water in a new school after her attack, winning the Nobel Peace Prize at 17 years old, and not being a good student at Oxford because she was more interested in a social life. Malala explains the go-cart meet cute with her now-husband, why girls’ education is the solution to so many world problems including climate change, and coming to the understanding that true bravery is when you go through lows and still stand up for what you believe in.
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| 0:13.9 | Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. |
| 0:16.7 | I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Patman. |
| 0:18.9 | Hi. |
| 0:19.5 | Today we have Malala Yusuf's eye. |
| 0:21.8 | Yes. |
| 0:22.6 | And guys, this is a message to me. |
| 0:24.9 | Not most listeners will be like, oh, I can't wait to listen. |
| 0:27.4 | Uh-huh. |
| 0:27.9 | But for pieces of shit like me that are like, I don't necessarily want to go on a super emotional ride. |
| 0:36.7 | I just want to say, this is the version of Malala that is the fun, playful college student coming-of-age version. |
| 0:45.2 | Yeah, human. |
| 0:46.3 | Yes, which is really shockingly fun and uplifting, and I loved. |
| 0:52.6 | Love. |
| 0:53.2 | No, I don't want to, I'm going to be clear. |
| 0:54.9 | I read her book and I love it. |
| 0:56.4 | It's very important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying I'm not up for that story, but just, you know, I want. This is a different version of her. It's a different side of Malala, which was a really fun side to get. It was great. It was great. She's a rascal. |
| 1:09.0 | I know. |
| 1:10.2 | She's so fun. |
| 1:11.2 | She's a playful rascal. |
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