You're listening to the on the media podcast extra. I'm Michael Lohinger.

Last week on the show, Brooke spoke to two women about new wrinkles in the now six year old

me two movement. One of them was writer and stand-up comic, Vicky Wong. She's written about Taiwan's

Me Too Movement that started earlier this year, inspired by a viral scene in a Netflix show that opened the floodgates for Taiwanese women to

come forward and share their stories. Our plan was to have a whole segment

about other ways in which the television landscape has changed over the last half

decade as Me Too stories have woven themselves into the fabric of our culture.

But, and here's a peek behind the curtain at O.T. The four interviews we did for the show

were so good that we couldn't cut them down enough

to fit them all in the show.

This podcast is the missing segment.

Brooks interview with Washington Post TV critic Lily Luftborough.

They discussed three phases of the post Me Too movement as seen on the small screen.

And by the way, this conversation includes a spoiler for

something that happens in the morning show from Apple TV and a content warning

there are references to sexual assault and suicide in this interview so bear that in mind

phase one of me too on TV Lily says has a bit of an after school special vibe to it

I have said that yes I would say that the first phase of any

movement like this tends to be blunt confrontational and also a kind of testimony, right?

It's about hearing about one person's experience

or one population's experience of a particular kind of

oppression or marginalization or loss of agency

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