Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. I'm thrilled to welcome today's guest, the brilliant

Jenny O'Dell, author of How to Do Nothing, and the just released an instant New York Times bestseller,

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Post your free job on LinkedIn.com slash agree today. Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here. Pulling the thread is about big questions, why we do what we do, how we can understand our own experiences within a larger spiritual and historical context,

the ways in which we might begin to understand ourselves and each other better,

and what's required to heal ourselves and our world.

I'll be joined in conversation by luminaries and wise elders,

those who have laid tracks in their work and lives to help us bring meaning

and understanding to a world that often feels chaotic and overwhelming. My hope is that these

conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all

collectively learn and grow. I guess for me, like, the real tragedy is, like, this idea of a life where you're getting,

like, further and further away from something meaningful or what you want.

And then just, like, watching the time, like, and having to, like, you know, like, having to sell your time in which you

do something meaningless.

Like, that's, like, deeply horrifying to me.

I mean, I know that is, like, that is describing a lot of jobs and work.

Yeah.

But I think, like, a lot of this, you know, book is me.

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