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From Cafe and WNYC Studios, welcome to Stay Tune. I'm Pripyra.

So one of the things I think is really interesting. We haven't narrowed it on this, but on the

statement of the crime for George Papadopoulos, there are hints of what was said and done that

it makes clear that there's a lot more to the story than we have.

That's my guest on the show today, Anne Milgram. Anne is the former attorney general of the

State of New Jersey and teaches at NYU Law School. I've known Anne for a long time. She's

served in a lot of different roles. She's been a local prosecutor and attorney general

of the state, federal prosecutor. She knows Bob Mother Well. She's also worked in the

Senate. And when things like this break, like the news about the mother indictments, she's

a person whose brain I really like to pick. Anne and I broke down all the news coming

out of the special counsel Bob Mother's office this week. Before I get to that, I wanted

to say a brief word about the horrible tragic terrorist attack that occurred in Lower

Manhattan this week. As you know, I was the US attorney in New York for a number of years.

And our most sacred responsibility was protecting the homeland and defending against terrorism.

There were two serious operational terrorists that I had to deal with along with the Joint

Terrorism Task Force and others. Where prosecutors in my office wrote around the clock one was

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