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Religion on the Mind

Making Peace with Mortality, Or “Dying, Fast and Slow” (#371)

Religion on the Mind

Religion on the Mind

Religion & Spirituality, Religion, Spirituality

4.7542 Ratings

🗓️ 5 January 2026

⏱️ 92 minutes

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These are the notes I just worked on: I sit down with our friend Kristen Tideman for one of those conversations that starts heavy and somehow leaves you feeling more alive. Kristen recently received a complicated diagnosis just months after becoming a new mom—a gut-punching reminder of mortality. We talk about what I'm calling "dying fast and slow" and how we avoid thinking about death in Western culture, why that avoidance might actually rob us of meaning, and how limitations—whether from illness, mortality, or just being human—can paradoxically give us freedom. Drawing on existential therapy, C.S. Lewis, Sufjan Stevens' darkest song, and even the psychology of Mormon communities, we wrestle with questions I keep coming back to, like: What does it mean to face our finitude honestly? Why does religious art sometimes feel less authentic than secular art? Can we find meaning in this life even when we're unsure what comes after? This one goes to some vulnerable, uncomfortable places, but I promise it's worth the journey. Kristen's Website | Kristentideman.com Tatiana Schlossberg⁠'s Article | Battle with My Blood ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.com YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:41.6

Welcome back, everybody, to Religion on the Mind.

0:45.3

I'm your host, Dr. Dan Koch, a licensed therapist.

0:51.8

And recently, a therapist interested in the existential questions, which is kind of what we're doing here today.

0:54.0

I am a slightly sleep deprived, I will say,

0:57.1

but I do think that this is a spicy enough topic that it will not make a difference. I'm not

1:01.7

particularly worried, but I'm especially not worried when I have my friend Kristen Tideman

1:07.0

back in the virtual studio with me. What up? Oh, hello, Dan. It's been far too long.

1:16.6

It's been since AAR like a year ago, huh, since you've been on? That's crazy. Yeah.

1:22.5

Yeah. Wow. That feels like forever ago, really. Responding to the election.

1:30.6

I don't really want to go.

1:31.5

I don't really want to go back to that place.

1:33.4

I don't think I will be re-listening to that episode.

1:36.9

So a little house cleaning here.

1:39.6

Just kind of let me set this up.

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