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How to Lend Money to Strangers

Making payday lending redundant, with Caroline van der Merwe and Simon Ellis (Jem)

How to Lend Money to Strangers

Brendan le Grange

Credit, Fintech, Management, Lending, Banking, Business, Careers

52.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2022

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

South Africa has an awkward history with payday lending and payday adjacent lending, so I was a touch concerned when I first heard that a fresh pair of South African entrepreneurs were looking to shake up the industry. Luckily, all my concerns were misplaced, because SmartWage is not looking to rethink payday lending, they're looking to make it redundant.


You can read more about SmartWage, now re-branded as Jem at https://www.jemhr.com/


In today’s episode, we talk about digitising communication between employers and employees, removing trucks’ worth of paperwork, and providing access to earned wages.


Follow Carolyn van der Merwe on LinkedIn for news on SmartWage but also updates from the Yale Africa Startup Review (or just head there directly at https://www.yasr.org/)


Follow Simon Ellis on LinkedIn for news on SmartWage but also his thoughts on leadership and his podcast hot tips - including The Knowledge Project and The Tim Ferris Show which were mentioned.


Follow Simon Ellis on LinkedIn for news on SmartWage but also his thoughts on leadership and his podcast hot tips - including The Knowledge Project and The Tim Ferris Show which were mentioned.


You can learn more about myself, Brendan le Grange, on my LinkedIn page (feel free to connect), my action-adventure novels are on Amazon, some versions even for free, and my work with ConfirmU and our gamified psychometric scores is at https://confirmu.com/ and on episode 24 of this very show https://www.howtolendmoneytostrangers.show/episodes/episode-24


If you have any feedback or questions, if you would like to participate in the show, or if you'd like to find full written transcripts with timestamps head on over to HowtoLendMoneytoStrangers.Show


Regards,


Brendan



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0:00.0

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0:20.0

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0:22.0

A key information document is available by visiting BayleyGifford.com.

0:26.0

As with any investment, capital is at risk.

0:30.0

In the very early stages of this product idea, we came across a corporate that prints 18,000 pay slips every single month and spends 25,000 ran,

0:40.0

curing them around the country and it just completely blew our minds.

0:44.0

Here you had a market where we needed a little bit of cooperation from payroll in order to offer an on-demand pay product.

0:50.0

But we had the ability to save payroll literally days of work every single month by taking those pay slips and offering them on our exact same channel, which is via WhatsApp.

1:00.0

100 years ago you worked today at the end of the day you went in line and you got given a bunch of cash.

1:04.0

No employees can't get access to their money and have to rely on predatory lending.

1:08.0

With technology today, we can give employees a percentage of what they've already earned.

1:14.0

That is really not lending but just giving people access to what is already there in an efficient way.

1:28.0

I found myself in an interesting position knowing I'd been South Africa for all of August. Don't rob my house please.

1:34.0

I reached out to a few extra guests to build up a stock of their episodes to tide me over.

1:40.0

And then everyone said yes. So now I'll rather than hoard July recordings until October. I'm flipping the script and publishing a South African themed bonus episode every Tuesday of my trip.

1:52.0

This is the second one of those. South Africa has an awkward history with payday lending and payday adjacent lending.

2:00.0

In the days of apartheid some lenders often in the form of furniture retailers would open so many direct salary deduction loans that somebody might spend a whole month working down the gold mines, only to get a negative paycheck after.

2:14.0

When I started my career that was what we pointed to when we wanted a short and example of predatory lending.

2:21.0

Then a few years later a couple of South Africans started wonger. The Nardy Fanked Payday Lender whose astronomical APRs made it the UK's contemporary byword or over aggressive lending.

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