Hello, I love the listener, I'm Maria.

And my name is Rory and we are the host of the IELT Speaking for Success podcast.

The podcast that aims to help you improve your speaking skills as well as your listening skills along the way.

We started this podcast because we want you to use high-level words and gorgeous grammar in your I old speaking and in

your English life, having fun together with us. Rory, it's our birthday today. It's our podcast birthday.

It is, yeah. What do you want for your podcast birthday or our podcast birthday? Okay, Rory, so I want

a cheesecake, a diamond ring, a new dress, a new lipstick,

new shoes to go with a dress.

I want a holiday in Thailand.

I'll add them all to the list, all right?

Oh, what a coincidence, because we're going to be talking about making lists today.

Rory, do you like making lists?

Oh, I love it. It brings order to the chaos of life and it makes it easier to work out what you need to do, rather than just flying by the seat of your pants,

I suppose. I think making lists is one of my favourite things to do, for sure.

How often do you make lists?

Oh God, probably every day, I imagine. Well, if we think about a lesson plan, for example,

is a list of activities in the logical sequence,

and then there are things to add for each existing list that I already have, and then there

are the tick lists that support my existing routine. So yeah, there's lots of lists, and it's

definitely an everyday task for me. Do you make a shopping list when you go shopping?

I used to, but I don't need to know since I've got one fixed list and it barely changes. And it's one of the few lists I actually

keep on my phone. So, um, in this way, I don't actually have to do that much with it. Do you make

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