Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Let's join this week's conversation.

Thank you. Well, you are listening to Mortification of Spin.

My name is Todd Pruitt. I'm the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian

Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia. We are a congregation of the PCA, the largest most influential

conservative Presbyterian denomination, particularly when you compare it to, for instance, the OPC,

which is, I mean, they're a very cute denomination. I'm sure they've got some nice people who mean well. But my co-host and friend,

Carl Truman, is, are you still ordained? Are you still an officer in the OPC? I am still an officer

in the OPC. Oh, that's cute. It's interesting you compared size because, still an officer in the OPC? I am still an officer in the OPC.

Oh, that's cute.

It's interesting you compared size because, you know, in the OPC, sometimes we've debated, you know, should we soft pedal on the truth?

Like the PCA in the company, yeah.

But no, we've decided that to keep ourselves true and faithful to the word of God.

Well, you've done a magnificent job of keeping your churches

very small. Now, and if you're tuning in for the first time, I just want you to know, I am not

being mean to Carl Truman. He gives me no end of grief over the fact that I'm in the PCA. So this is just a little bit of

of payback. I knew you when you were a dispensationalist, didn't I? Well, you, I was never a dispensationalist.

How dare you? But make a church, big box. Of course, of course, of course. Well, for those of you

who don't know who my very famous co-host is, his name is Carl Truman. He's a professor at Grove City College in Western Pennsylvania. He's, to quote Ron Burgundy, he's sort of a big deal. And I just, I'm just fortunate to be able to sit in the same room with him.

He acts like he still knows me, which is kind of nice. And I do appreciate that, Carl.

But it's- Only in private, though. Never would I acknowledge you in private.

True. That is absolutely true. Well, I'm feeling a little bit outnumbered today because our guest is T. David Gordon, who is likewise a professor at Grove City College. He's a professor of religion in Greek and an author as well. You know, we had... He is a PCA minister. He's a PCA minister. He helps keep us honest, absolutely.

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