My favorite thing that Forbes does is they will write an article about a billionaire who has lost money.

And the story will always like lament them.

You know, it'll be like the misfortunes of Jeff Bezos.

And they'll be like, Carlos Slim used to be one of the richest men in the world.

Now he languishes in 15 spots.

I do think that's the difficulty of being human.

Is that some of our progress is the fact that we are never satisfied.

Some of our progress lies in the fact that we're always yearning for more.

And then the downside becomes that we create a false flaw.

You're listening to What Now?

The podcast where I chat to interesting people about the conversations taking over our world.

And this week, ooh, what an interesting conversation.

Joining myself and Christiana in studio is Yuval Noah Harari.

If you've heard of Sapiens, you know who Yuval is.

That was the book that completely changed people's ideas of how we organize society

and why humans have the power we do.

Well, his new book, Nexus, is just as contentious. It focuses on a

possible answer to what makes society work and what could break it completely. The rise of

AI, the war in the Middle East, the breakdown in communication between politicians and the people.

In this episode, we discuss it all.

As I often say, the only thing I love more than peeling back the layers of a story

is doing it with my favorite thinkers.

...