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The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

Making ABA Research Matter: Practical Dissemination Strategies for Behavior Analytic Scholars, Inside JABA 25

The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

Matt Cicoria

Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Science, Social Sciences

4.8 • 662 Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Episode Overview

In this special episode of the Behavioral Observations Podcast, I had the honor of celebrating the 25th installment of the Inside JABA Series. This one was particularly meaningful because it also marks the final appearance of Dr. John Borrero in his role as Editor-in-Chief of The Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis. I invited John to reflect on his three-year tenure—what he learned from reading an enormous volume of manuscripts, how his thinking evolved, and why adapting our language is essential if we want behavior analysis to reach broader audiences.

From there, we transitioned into an informative conversation with Dr. Nate Call from Emory University. Nate's recent work focuses on how we can better disseminate applied behavior analysis, not just distribute it. His paper, Scholarship as an Operating Class: Strategies and tactics for increasing dissemination of applied behavior analysis, has already shifted how I think about how our field packages and shares research. In this episode, Nate walked us through actionable strategies for increasing the reach and impact of our work.

Key Topics Covered in This Episode

1. John Borrero's Reflections from the Editor's Chair

John looked back on his three years as Editor-in-Chief, and I asked him what surprised him most. He talked about:

  • How important clear, accessible language is for dissemination
  • Why behavior analysts must evolve how we communicate without losing our scientific roots
  • Efforts to make JABA papers more accessible through translated articles
  • What it's like to manage a massive editorial workflow and team

2. The Real Difference Between Dissemination and Distribution

Nate clarified something that—and I'll admit—I hadn't always thought deeply about: there's a big difference between making your work available and ensuring your work is actually used.

Nate described it like:

  • Distribution = scattering seeds
  • Dissemination = preparing the soil so they actually grow

He also explained why early-career researchers often focus on distribution out of necessity, and how we can transition to more deliberate dissemination strategies over time.

3. Scholarship as an Operant Class

Nate walked me through the framework behind his recent paper. He described scholarly behavior as something shaped by contingencies—just like anything else. We talked about:

  • How individual and systemic consequences shape publishing choices
  • Why some of the most high-impact papers come from individuals rather than large labs
  • Concrete strategies we can use to increase the visibility and influence of our work

4. Boundary Encounters and Second-Generation Innovations

I asked Nate about how ideas move between disciplines, and he introduced the concept of boundary encounters.

We discussed:

  • Incoming vs. outgoing boundary encounters
  • How second-generation innovations help behavior analysis reach audiences outside our traditional spaces
  • Why these interactions are essential if we want ABA to have a broader societal impact

5. Expanding Our Methodological Toolkit

We took a deep dive into methodology and talked about the strengths of single-subject designs—as well as their limitations. Nate made a compelling case for:

  • When behavior analysts should consider Randomized Control Trials, implementation science, or mixed methods
  • Why diversifying methodologies helps us answer questions that matter to educators, policymakers, and grant reviewers
  • What we lose when we rely exclusively on traditional single-subject approaches

6. Participatory Action Research and Social Validity

I asked Nate to explain participatory action research, and he shared a powerful example involving first responders and families in crisis situations. He emphasized:

  • The importance of involving stakeholders early
  • How PAR elevates social validity and context
  • Why many federal funders now expect qualitative or participatory components
  • How behavior analysts can begin building these skills, even if it feels unfamiliar

7. Measuring Our Impact More Effectively

We also explored how to know whether dissemination is working. Nate and I discussed:

  • Bibliographic network analysis
  • Alt-metric measures
  • The importance of citing intentionally to strengthen high-quality scholarship within the field

8. Nate's Advice for New BCBAs

To close the episode, I asked Nate what he'd tell new behavior analysts entering the field. He encouraged them to:

  • Read widely—far beyond behavior-analytic journals
  • Become conversant in different research methods
  • Build collaborations with experts in qualitative, mixed, and implementation-science approaches
  • Think functionally about their own scholarly and professional behavior

9. Resources Mentioned in this Podcast

If you're passionate about increasing the influence of behavior analysis—whether through research, writing, teaching, or practice—this episode offers clear, functional guidance for how to do it.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Behavioral Observations podcast, stimulating talk for today's behavior

0:13.9

analysts. Now here's your host, Matt Secoria. Dr. Nate Call and John Barrero.

0:24.2

Thanks for joining me today on the behavioral observations podcast.

0:26.3

This is a special episode in many ways.

0:29.6

It's the 25th Inside Java series.

0:35.5

It's the last one that John Barrero will be participating in.

0:38.7

His term as editor-in-chief has come and gone.

0:41.9

John has been really fun doing these episodes with you,

0:47.4

and I can't believe we're going to be on to the third term of editorship for Java.

0:51.7

It's also special because you chose a banger of a paper to go out with,

0:53.9

so we'll get into that shortly, but the paper is by the aforementioned Dr.

0:58.0

Call, scholarship as an operating, and colleagues, I should say, scholarship as an operant

1:02.1

class, strategies and tactics for increasing dissemination of applied behavior analysis.

1:06.9

So just for the listener's interest, I was telling John and Nate before I hit record here that this is one of those papers that you really want to print out and go take some, set some time aside, get a notebook, get a highlighter. It is content rich. I learned a bunch of new terms. We're going to learn. We're all going to learn here together shortly.

1:32.5

A lot of good stuff to get into, and I think kind of a unique message as it relates to dissemination.

1:38.2

So, Nate, we're going to get into this great paper in just a moment here. But first, I wanted to,

1:49.3

John, I want to give you the opportunity to, given that your term has expired here as editor-in-chief, I'm kind of curious what that experience was like for you.

1:52.5

You know, certainly you've probably read a gazillion papers.

1:56.3

You know, I'm sure you were doing so previous to that anyway and other editorship roles.

1:59.3

But I don't know. Tell us what the experience was like.

2:03.6

I appreciate the opportunity to describe that experience, Matt. It has been a tremendous honor to be able to serve as editor for Java and to serve

2:11.5

SEA, which is the Society for the Experimental Analysis of Behavior and just the behavior analysis community.

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