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Hi everyone and welcome to it could happen here.

A podcast which by popular demand today is about livestock as we will be going forward.

It's me, it's Garrison and we're talking about species of sheep.

Don't not really, we're not talking about species of sheep much to my disappointment.

Not yet, but that will be coming. We're going to be getting into clean, textiles, meals.

I can't think big sheep stuff.

Today we're actually joined by John.

John has been subjected to my way of introduction, but we're not talking about sheep today.

We're talking about active transport infrastructure and we're talking about how cities tend to build that in certain communities and not in others.

So welcome to the show, John.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'll say that my partner would have been overjoyed if the podcast was actually about species of sheep.

She's tired of hearing me talk about bikes and shirts, so but here we are.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm John Stalen, I'm a assistant professor at University of North Carolina at Greensboro.

Great.

So I think to start off with, if you could kind of outline what sort of like, I guess people might not be familiar at all with bike infrastructure.

Certainly if they live in some parts of the US or like more rural areas, what it looks like and what cities have been doing in the last few years building bike infrastructure and then how that relates to the, I guess the income disparities within cities.

Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a big question.

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