Make Sleep Suck Less with Dr. Chris Allen

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Kim Holderness

Holderness Podcast, Self-improvement, Parenting, 40s, Laugh Line, Gen X, Penn Holderness, Laugh Lines, The Laugh Line, 50s, Kim Holderness, Aging, Getting Older, Humor, The Holderness Family, Marriage, Education

4.9 • 3.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

If you’re celebrating the rare night when you don’t have to get up to go to the bathroom… welcome. You are among friends. Sleep is one of my favorite topics. Penn and I often joke that I don't have FOMO (Fear of missing out) I have FOMS (Fear of missing sleep). As much as I love sleep, I also struggle with it. So this week, we invited Dr. Christopher J. Allen (also known as "Sleep Dr. Chris") to help us figure out why sleep gets harder as we age and what we can actually do about it.

In this episode we talk about why our sleep changes in midlife, sleep hacks floating around TikTok, how ADHD may impact your sleep, and something many people overlook: Sleep Apnea. Dr. Chris explains how it can affect women, teens, and even kids and why untreated sleep apnea can leave you exhausted no matter how long you’re "sleeping" for.

We definitely walked away with some new ideas on how to help my sleep routine... because as you'll hear on the show being in bed is for three things only and they all start with "S" - Sleep, Sick, and... SANDWICHES! We hope this episode helps you have sweet dreams or at least it helps your sleep sucks a little less. We love to hear from you! Leave us a message at 323-364-3929 or write the show at podcast@theholdernessfamily.com. You can also watch our podcast on YouTube.

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Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness is an evolution of The Holderness Family Podcast, which began in 2018. Kim and Penn Holderness are award-winning online content creators known for their original music, song parodies, comedy sketches, and weekly podcasts. Their videos have resulted in over three billion views and over nine million followers since 2013. Penn and Kim are also authors of the New York Times Bestselling Books, ADHD Is Awesome: A Guide To (Mostly) Thriving With ADHD and All You Can Be With ADHD. They were also winners on The Amazing Race (Season 33) on CBS.

Laugh Lines is hosted and executive produced by Kim Holderness and Penn Holderness, with original music by Penn Holderness. Laugh Lines is also written and produced by Ann Marie Taepke, and edited and produced by Sam Allen. It is hosted by Acast. Thanks for listening!

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0:00.0	You always joke that you don't have a fear of missing out. I don't have FOMO. I have FOMS. I have a fear of missing sleep. The bedroom. And the bed more specifically is only for three things. And they start with the letter S. If you're sick, if you're sleeping. Sandwiches. I don't know a ton about sleep apnea. Why did I just think it was something that old men got?
0:22.2	Could a 17-year-old really have sleep apnea?
0:24.9	Yes.
0:25.4	Yeah, we get older every day.
0:27.8	Got more wrinkles, that's okay.
0:29.8	Yeah, we're laughing when we age.
0:31.9	Life is like a comedy stage.
0:35.5	And that's what we got laugh lines.
0:40.3	Hey everybody, I'm Kim Holderness.
0:43.2	And I'm Ben Holderness.
0:44.3	Thank you so much for joining us on Laughlines.
0:47.1	If you woke up this morning and you high-fived yourself because you didn't wake up in
0:51.9	the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, you're home.
0:54.9	We are your people.
0:55.8	I do get excited when I make it through the night. And I don't know that I have like an enlarged prostate, but I definitely forget to hydrate during the day. So at night I'm like, well, I better do it now. And I'm not sure that's how you're supposed to do it. Well, this kind of fits in with today's
1:10.8	podcast because we are on my favorite topic, which is sleep. Yes. And I joke about this,
1:18.4	but it is very true. I need like a trank dart to sleep. That is true. Also true is on your
1:27.4	list of values of things that are important to you in
1:30.7	life, like a great time. Not as high as sleep. Happy family relationships. I'm joking. But sleep is up
1:38.6	there. You always joke that you don't have a fear of missing out. I don't have FOMO. I have FOMS.
1:43.8	I have a fear of missing sleep. I don't have FOMO. I have FOMS. I have a fear of missing sleep.
1:46.9	I get a little anxious if there's a school night event at, like, say, 8 o'clock. I don't know the
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