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The Afterburn Podcast

Maj. Gen. John "Trapper" Winters on 40 Years of Fighter Aviation

The Afterburn Podcast

John "Rain" Waters

Military, Lifestyle, Aviation, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.91K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2026

⏱️ 123 minutes

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0:00.0

So you know what major winner said, don't call here ever again, giving us crap for missing an intercept.

0:09.0

That's when you get frustrated.

0:11.0

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

0:13.0

That's when you get frustrated as a fighter pilot rain, as you well know.

0:17.0

Yeah.

0:18.0

You go, okay, I've given you a solution.

0:20.0

And I'm sure they put it up the flagpole.

0:21.8

And the flagpole said, no, I don't want to do that.

0:24.8

So, okay, don't call here again.

0:26.8

And they didn't.

0:28.1

Right.

0:28.4

I mean, that's like probably as old as time, right?

0:31.1

Like politics get involved in whatever conflict we'll see it today.

0:34.1

Happened to you.

0:35.1

Happened to Vietnam.

0:36.3

Having more to, you know, it's day happened to you happen to Vietnam having more to you know it's always happened

0:38.6

like Paul if you what's the objective is to win all right go out there and win and we're not going to

0:43.4

care about but then you know then you do realize you're a pawn and I actually you know said at that

0:48.8

point to all my brothers I said okay somebody is just proven to me there is absolutely nothing here to die for,

0:58.7

which is not the best place to be as a fighter pilot, in my opinion.

1:02.4

Tower at the wiresticks really few, we're waiting for 11, 0,000 and 5, click off.

1:07.5

Seats hide, out of 20, 0,000, we're clear for takeoff, clear for the airspace.

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