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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Mahmoud v. Taylor

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2025

⏱️ 149 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court will decide whether public schools burden parents’ religious exercise when they compel elementary school children to participate in instruction on gender and sexuality against their parents’ religious convictions and without notice or opportunity to opt out.

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0:00.0

We will hear argument first this morning in case 24-297, Mahmood v. Taylor. Mr. Baxter.

0:07.5

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, parents everywhere care about how their young

0:13.5

children are taught sexuality and gender identity. That's why nearly every public school in the

0:19.1

country that provides sexuality education requires parental consent first.

0:23.6

But Montgomery County is an extreme outlier, insisting that every elementary school student must be instructed that, among other controversial matters, doctors guessed at their sex when they were born, and that anyone who disagrees is hurtful and unfair.

0:39.2

Forcing petitioners to submit their children to such instruction violates their religious

0:42.9

beliefs and directly interferes with their ability to direct the religious upbringing of their

0:47.1

children. The board claims this straightforward burden analysis will invite chaos, but

0:52.6

schools nationwide have long applied

0:54.4

expansive opt-out policies without significant difficulty, including the board itself, which

0:59.6

still allows opt-outs for choir students who object to singing religious songs, or students

1:04.6

who object to certain storybooks, such as one that portrays an image of the prophet Muhammad.

1:10.4

Exempting students for some religious

1:12.2

reasons, but not others, cannot be squared with the First Amendment. Nowhere else to go, the board

1:17.7

pleads for remand on strict scrutiny, but petitioners have been seeking preliminary relief

1:22.9

for two years already at significant personal expense. One family moved in with grandparents to afford

1:29.0

private school. Another is homeschooling at the loss of $25,000 a year in special services. The school

1:35.5

provided their daughter with Down syndrome. Most have no alternatives. Petitioners deserve complete

1:42.1

preliminary relief in a system where thousands of students are daily opted in and out of the class for multiple reasons.

1:47.9

There's no basis for denying opt-outs for religious reasons.

1:51.6

The board does not dispute that under its theory, it could compel instruction using pornography, and parents would have no rights.

1:59.3

The First Amendment demands more.

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