When you're struggling and fighting for freedom, right, if you're allowing the system to give you the opportunity, it's like during those protests back in the day when they had to go get a permit to protest and for how long, that kind of takes away from the protest as far as I'm concerned.

Welcome to the edge of sports podcast. I'm Dave Ziren. We have a very special treat for you this week.

I spoke on a webinar alongside NBA resistance legend, Mahmoud Abdul Raouf, for a show called Let's Talk BLM, that's put on by the organization American Muslims for Palestine.

And Mahmoud Abdul Raouf and I, we chopped it up back and forth

about racism and resistance

in professional sports.

And Mahmoud brings so much wisdom to the table.

I mean, you have to hear this.

This is so great.

Also, I've got just stand up

and just sit your ass down awards

and more, but first, listen to this.

This is going to make your day.

Mahmoud Abdul-Ra-Rouf chopping it up with me,

hosted by the great Felicia Eves for the show,

Let's Talk BLM, talking racism and resistance in professional sports.

Good evening.

And welcome to another episode of Let's Talk BLM. I'm Felicia Eves, and I'm honored to be your host for what I believe will be a very exciting and interesting discussion. Tonight, we will be taking on the issue of racism and resistance in professional sports. Athletes in professional sports have always been at the hub of the fight for equity and justice in America.

And black athletes have often been the leaders in the resistance. In 2016, former NFL player Colin Kaepernick was ousted from and ostracized by the NFL because of the stance he took during a game

by kneeling during the national anthem and protest of the brutal murders of black men, women, and children at the hands of police.

And most recently, players with the Milwaukee Bucks, basketball team, and members of the WNBA,

as well as other sports leagues, went on strike in protest of the shooting of Jacob Blake

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