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Magic Language - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 1/18/26

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🗓️ 19 January 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Guest host Ryan Wrecker and writer Toby Chappell discuss communication as a catalyst for desired change.  

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.0

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0:04.0

Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on IHart Radio.

0:09.0

Your book is The Languages of Magic.

0:11.0

So how is magic a language?

0:14.0

First, I think I should maybe define what I mean by magic in this particular context,

0:18.0

because as I found, it's a word that means a lot of different things or different people.

0:22.6

And when talking about magic, if people aren't on the same page, so to speak, about what they mean by it,

0:28.6

you can have miscommunication, which is part of the point of my book.

0:32.6

So what I mean by magic in this context is when I'm talking about using symbolic means, whether that's symbolic language, particular signs or symbols are meaningful to the person doing magic and so forth, that they use to first create a change within themselves, but then impress that change on the world outside themselves.

0:52.9

And what magic is a process of communication under that definition means is that when I am

1:00.8

directing my magic toward something that I want to bring into being.

1:04.0

So I want to change about myself, something to change about the world around myself, something

1:07.7

and some opportunity I want to bring to myself or to make myself aware of,

1:14.0

I treat that not as a one-way communication.

1:21.1

This is not like you would do, like seek the spell, like in Harry Potter and go, you know, say the magic word and then the magic happens.

1:23.7

No, this is a back and forth. This is a communication process.

1:25.6

Similarly to how you would, if you're trying to persuade or to reach an agreement with someone,

1:31.1

unless you have certain authority or whatnot, you wouldn't just dictate them what you want.

1:35.3

You would negotiate with them. You would talk to them about what it is that they need, what it is that you need,

1:39.4

find out what it is that they respond to.

1:43.2

And applying this to magic means that you can take

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