But people should just take no, I mean, the fact that, you know, people who are building this stuff, Jeffrey Hinton, the guy who's just a godfather of the eye, of course, but he just, he drove this, um, that he's warning of it. And everyone, I mean, you know, I'm just a tiny fish in the pond, the people who've been working on this for decades are worried.

Uh, this is different from when people are worried about, you know, crypto, like, or when people are worried about whatever else is the thing they're currently worried about, right?

But the people who have been working on us for ages who have dedicated their careers to it, including myself, are, um, saying that this is very much a path with a juncture.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the program today. We have another great guest. We're doing this like AI series where we're interviewing anybody and everybody who's making interesting stuff builders in fact of the most interesting AI startups today.

We have Eric Steinberger. He runs a company called magic and plain English.

Magic is building a colleague inside of a computer. Basically it's powered by AI and it's going to auto generate code based on a developer's inputs. Welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks Jason. Thanks for having me. All right. How many people work at this company? We're 10 now. 10 people were your best.

Half of us in SF, half of us in Vienna, Austria. Okay. Great. In your NSF. I will. I'm just moving. I'm going to my visa. Have my visa.

Congratulations. And one week. Well, congratulations. Are you going to be in San Francisco? We're going to be in the Bay area. Yeah, applying to be NSF. Wow.

Would you have an office there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Small office. You know, small team. But we're about to encounter you.

Not sure yet. We're probably going to get a co-working space just to be quick. Yeah.

And then eventually the reason I ask is a lot of AI people are saying they're going to be in the city of San Francisco where a lot of startups and obviously the big tech companies are no longer going to San Francisco.

Explain the decision to be in San Francisco as opposed to saying being down in Palo Alto Mountain View, Cupertino, San Jose, San Mateo, wherever.

I mean, I have a few friends who are just really good at my engineers NSF. And I'm not very familiar with the area. So I think NSF is the place that I've spent some time in the Berkeley.

But I think NSF is better for what we're doing. Great. Awesome. It does seem like a bunch of AI developers are choosing to be in San Francisco, which is great for the city since there's like 15 Salesforce towers of open space.

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