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Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Maggie Smith: This Place Could Be Beautiful, Right?

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Everything Happens Studios

Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture

4.84.7K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Maggie Smith (poet and author of books like Keep Moving and You Could Make This Place Beautiful) chronicles the aftermath of a painful divorce she didn’t see coming. How do we raise our kids in the wake of such change? And how do we reconcile who we are and who we are becoming? In this conversation, Maggie and Kate discuss: How to support someone going through divorce The metaphor of nesting dolls as how we contain who we were before (and how our befores and afters might not be as dramatic as we thought) Speaking honestly with our children about the beauty and tragedy of the world Why tragedies are not worth the “lessons” that we might learn from them CW: divorce *** Looking for the transcript or show notes? Click here. Find Kate on Instagram or Facebook or Twitter. THE LIVES WE ACTUALLY HAVE: 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days is out now. Learn more, here. Leave us a voicemail and who knows? We might even be able to use your voice on the air: 919-322-8731 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello my dears. Before I begin today's conversation, I want to let you know about a new book that's coming out, and it's from my lovely friend and former podcast guest, Gretchen Ruben.

0:11.6

Gretchen wrote a gorgeous book about savoring the life that's right in front of us. It's called Life in Five Senses.

0:19.0

How exploring the senses got me out of my head and into the world.

0:23.7

And oh my gosh, yes, don't we just all need that reminder?

0:28.5

Gretchen is, uh, she's like such an explorer.

0:31.7

She wanted to look at the mysteries and joys of the five senses as a way to experience more happiness.

0:38.4

Joy's makes me think of that line from thorough. I want to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life.

0:46.4

It's everything from the simple pleasures of experiencing the magic of ketchup, which I think we all know that I love.

0:52.9

I don't know why I say that like, uh, like I'm the first person who's loved ketchup, but truly it was just so great.

0:58.8

It was also in our podcast episode where she's explaining to me how ketchup has all the magical things like umami.

1:05.6

So she looks it, I don't know, the beauty of food to curating a playlist to going to an art museum every day.

1:12.7

Gretchen shows us how to live awake to each day with depth and delight and connection.

1:17.9

So I think you're really going to love it. It's called life in the five senses and it's available now wherever books are sold.

1:31.2

You know that feeling where we imagine our lives along a simple trajectory that we can follow?

1:37.4

It's kind of like in the game of life where like this is the part where you graduate college.

1:41.6

This is the part where you get married. This is the part where you choose your career and buy your split level home.

1:47.1

This is the part when you have two healthy successful children.

1:50.2

This is the part where you retire at the millionaire estate stinking ding ding.

1:53.9

You've won the game of life.

1:57.2

But more often than not, our lives don't follow a trajectory.

2:02.6

So how do we make sense of lives that veer from our expectations, from our plans?

2:08.1

What might happen next? And, and then who do we become?

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