Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop. I'm your

host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep

on their inspiration, on the process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to write an algorithm that will write songs

for you, or else a scrappy upstart, trying experimental drugs so your subconscious will

write songs for you, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks

most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the third Friday of August 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

This week's show is brought to you by Ban Zougal.

Built by musicians and for musicians,

Ban Zougal is an all-in-one platform to build a beautiful website for your music.

I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay somebody called a web developer to get a

website made, and it would always be some guy named Arlo, who drove a Subaru Impreza with a

Skrillix bumper sticker, and who was always trying to cut you in on a fraud scheme that involved

coin star machines. An old Arlo would charge you about a thousand bucks for a website that would be obsolete in six

months.

But it's the future now, you guys, that's not how it works anymore.

We're allowed to have nice things now.

One of those nice things is Banzugal.

Banzugal powers the websites of tens of thousands of musicians around the world,

from weekend warriors to Grammy winners.

All the features you need for a professional website are already built in,

...