Hey, what's going on folks? Before we get into the interview, I just want to take one more second to thank my guest Maggie Freelink

I had such a great time interviewing her. She's a funny and awesome person and

Just a really talented and thoughtful journalist just as a heads up

This was the first interview that I've done over the phone

So the audio gets a little wonky in spaces, but the conversation was still amazing

I just wanted to give people a heads up to encourage you to just kind of power through those spots and

Enjoy the interview. I hope to have her on again in the future because there's so much we didn't get to talk about

But yeah, just just a quick little heads up about the audio some some some shaky spots here and there

But still a great conversation and enjoy

My guest today is a journalist and producer of a multitude of podcasts aimed at criminal justice reform and

Highlighting the humanity of a population of people that have been vilified and in a lot of cases wrongfully castigated by society

Among those podcasts are the incredibly captivating murder and alliance and the award-winning Suave

I could go on and on about her impressive resume

But if I did we'd probably never get to the actual interview the podcaster studio is proud to welcome Maggie

Freeling Maggie. Hello, Alvin. Hello. It's been a while and I'm so excited to be here

It is it has been a while and not only has it been a while this will be the longest

conversation that we have had

When we did meet it was it was very brief

It was over like shots. Yeah, it was like it was over shots and like music and stuff

So this would be a very this so this is a formal

Welcome in a formal hello to us both and I'm very happy that we could do it likewise. I'm very excited

Yes, now you are fresh from vacations still smelling like vacation

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