MAGA Regrets, Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Apology, and Pharrell’s Philosophy

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

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Society & Culture

4.8 • 11.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 109 minutes

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Van and Rachel react to fractures in the MAGA movement, give a rating for Marjorie Taylor Greene’s apology, and get into the Epstein brothers' correspondence about Trump “blowing Bubba.” Plus, Michelle Obama talks about America’s readiness for a woman president, Pharrell shares his dislike of politics, and Eric Adams goes to Israel. (0:00) Black women in pop and hip-hop (19:16) MAGA regrets (45:23) Marjorie Taylor Greene’s apology (50:55) Trump and Bubba (56:15) Michelle Obama on a woman president (1:10:40) Pharrell and politics (1:34:04) Eric Adams in Israel Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? I learned is on is Ivan Lathin, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. I ride for Sabrina Carpenter. Did you go last night? No. I was supposed to. I couldn't. Listen to my voice. She's going to do something and we're going to have to, like, not like her. What makes you like her so much? What do you do? Like the music?
0:23.6	She a little, she's a little. She's gonna do something and we're gonna have to like not like her.
0:22.4	What makes you like her so much?
0:22.9	What do you do?
0:23.4	Like the music?
0:26.8	She's a little toxic-ass troublemaker.
0:27.3	Why?
0:28.0	I fuck with that.
0:30.7	I listen to that record taste this morning.
0:31.4	Okay.
0:34.1	I like when you're in your pop girl era.
0:36.5	I'm in my pop girl era, man.
0:38.6	Sabrina Carpenter a little fucking,
0:44.9	she was telling that chick, that shit you could do, this motherfucker, he loves me. He, you always gonna be tasting me. And I'm like, well, this little toxic-ass gangster. Her music is good.
0:50.3	Toxic gangster little, little cupcakester. That's her nickname.
0:54.8	She's like a little strawberry shortcake.
0:56.4	A little strawberry shortcake gangstay.
0:57.9	What's your little gangster ass?
0:59.2	What you're talking about?
1:00.5	I like it too because I just feel like the way she's very, you know, confident and sexual with her lyrics and even like the innuendos and her performance. And I actually appreciate like the type of space that she takes up in pop culture music. And I feel like maybe a few years ago she couldn't do that even with her second album, The Man Child. Some people tried to see it's like on her hands and knees and there's a man pulling her, pulling her hair. That's not from this record? That's not from this, that's not this one?
1:29.2	That's what I said.
1:29.7	This new album was a man child.
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