MAGA Media Turns on Trump (feat. David Pakman)
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🗓️ 19 April 2026
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Political commentator David Pakman joins the show to talk with Dan about the war brewing on the right between Trump and the MAGA influencers who once supported him. The two discuss whether this MAGA revolt is actually real, Trump's announcement that the Strait of Hormuz has reopened, and whether the White House's pivot back to the economy is their best message to win the midterms. Then, Dan asks David how the media ecosystem has changed over his career — and what it'll take for Democrats to build a media ecosystem that rivals the one built by the right.
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| 0:00.0 | There's a new book that I think is particularly timely. |
| 0:02.4 | It's called Control, Why Big Giving Fall Short. |
| 0:05.0 | Author Glenn Gallich offers a rare insider view exposing why billionaire and millionaire donors move so slowly while communities battle urgent crises. |
| 0:12.9 | In Control, Why Big Giving Fall Short, Gallich reveals how our philanthropic system and culture encourage excessive donor control and keep over $2 trillion from reaching communities. |
| 0:21.6 | By prioritizing wealthy donor interest, power, and control, this system doesn't simply slow social progress, it structurally prevents it. |
| 0:28.6 | This is a weird world where you have all these billionaires who sign like giving pledges and talk about all the money they give away and their foundations. |
| 0:35.6 | I feel like people didn't really think about whether they had ulterior motives for a very long time and just kind of like celebrated them. And then when you really dig into the details, kind of controlling a lot of things. Yeah, it's one of the reason we have a progressive taxation system in the country and don't rely just on billionaire philanthropy. But I'm sure Gallich gets into that in the book. If you care about how extreme wealth shapes our society and how to fix it, this is the book to read. |
| 0:58.2 | Order your copy of Control Why Big Giving Fall Short by Glenn Gallich from your favorite indie bookstore. |
| 1:03.3 | That's Control Why Big Giving Fall Short out now. Welcome to Potta of America. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. You're about to hear my conversation with progressive political commentator David Packman, someone I've long wanted to have on the show. David's been covering the news and talking politics online longer than just about anyone. |
| 1:39.1 | Hosting the self-titled David Packman show since 2005 when it launches a radio program at a little station in Massachusetts. |
| 1:45.8 | We hopped on Zoom to talk about the week's latest news, the Iran negotiations, and the White |
| 1:49.9 | House's attempt to pivot back to the economy, as well as the growing revolt against the president |
| 1:53.8 | among the MAGA media. We'll get to that conversation in a moment. Before we do, if you want to |
| 1:58.2 | support independent media, I hope you'll consider subscribing to Message Box, my newsletter that gives you in-depth political analysis and cuts through the BS to help you understand what you can do to defeat MAGA in this election and beyond. And I have a special deal for crooked fans. Go to crooked.com slash yes, sweet end for 20% off your subscription. And I hope you'll consider heading over to crooked.com slash friends become a friend of the pod where you can get this episode, add free and get access to my |
| 2:20.8 | subscriber show, Polar Coaster. Now, here's my conversation with David Packman. |
| 2:29.5 | David Packman, welcome to Pod Save America. Thank you. We wanted to have you on the pod for |
| 2:34.0 | a long time. I'm very excited about this. I want to talk to about the media ecosystem, how Democrats should communicate your career and how you got to be one of the longest serving progressive political commentators, which is very impressive. But because this is a positive America, before we do that, let's get to some news. This morning, Friday when we're recording this, the Iranians |
| 2:52.0 | announced that the Strait of Hormuz was now open. Donald Trump very cheerfully trothed about how |
| 2:59.3 | this was a great deal. The strait was open. There would be a deal within a couple of days. |
| 3:04.4 | We were going to get all of the dust, although there are reports that we're |
| 3:07.5 | going to give the Iranians $20 billion for that dust. But it seems like things are in a better |
| 3:12.0 | place than they were a few days ago. What is your take on this? Do you think it's just a big win? |
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