MAGA Exit Interview: Former Troll Speaks Out
The Lincoln Project
The Lincoln Project
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🗓️ 2 June 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Rich Logis once defended Trump. Now he's helping people leave MAGA behind. On this episode of The Lincoln Project Podcast, Rick Wilson sits down with the founder of Leaving MAGA to discuss the growing number of former Trump supporters who have simply had enough. From the Epstein scandal to the fallout from Trump's tariffs and the chaos surrounding Iran, the excuses are getting harder to make and the consequences are getting harder to ignore. Rich explains what finally broke the spell for him, why more Republicans are questioning Trump than ever before, and whether we're witnessing the beginning of a real MAGA crackup. When reality starts showing up with receipts, even the most loyal believers have to make a choice.
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You can find Rich Logis on X @PerfectOurUnion, and Leaving MAGA on X @LeavingMAGA, on X. Go to https://LeavingMAGA.org for more information about the Leaving MAGA movement.
Rick Wilson is on X at @TheRickWilson, on Bluesky at @TheRickWilson.bsky.social, and you can check out Rick's Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. You can check out more of LP's work at www.lincolnproject.us and on X at @ProjectLincoln.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm sorry for my past support of Trump and MAGA. |
| 0:06.2 | When I was in MAGA, the Lincoln Project was... |
| 0:10.6 | The devil loathed and despised. |
| 0:14.3 | And if I had met you when I was in MAGA, |
| 0:16.8 | I would have said that you were an existential threat to our country. |
| 0:19.7 | So I'd like to just apologize to everyone seeing this for my, my past MAGA support. |
| 0:26.6 | Your task will not be an easy one. |
| 0:28.6 | Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battle-hardt. |
| 0:32.6 | There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. |
| 0:36.6 | There is the United States of America. |
| 0:41.6 | Good night and good luck. |
| 0:43.8 | Hey, folks, welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast. As always, I'm your host, |
| 0:47.2 | Rick Wilson, and we are delighted you joined us today. We are always honored to have your |
| 0:51.4 | attention and your time in listening to this podcast. |
| 0:56.2 | And because of that, we're trying to grow it as much as we can and make it as relevant to |
| 1:00.3 | you as we can. |
| 1:01.5 | Anybody who is listening right now in whatever platform you are, do me a favor, like |
| 1:05.8 | and subscribe, really helps build the show. |
| 1:07.6 | I am really happy to be joined today by Rich Logis, who is the founder, the CEO, the executive director, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and a go because he walked away from the cult. And we all have known friends and family and associates |
| 1:31.8 | who have a really hard time walking away from the cult no matter how bad it gets, no matter how |
| 1:37.1 | broken it gets, no matter how distant from your values it gets. But Rich did it. He did it pretty early. So, Rich, I want to |
| 1:46.5 | welcome you to the show and thank you for the work you've been doing for, I guess it's almost |
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