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MAGA Chaos: MAHA in Disarray with RFK Deserters, Project Veritas Leader Goes Off the Rails

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, News Commentary, Politics, Society & Culture

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Will Sommer joins Sonny Bunch to deep dive into all things MAGA chaos, from the growing rift within RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine movement to James O’Keefe’s chaotic fallout with Project Veritas including his self-produced documentary. 

Read Will’s Newsletter False Flag, “MAHA in Disarray: Leading Anti-Vaxxer Parts Ways with RFK”

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:22.7

Bunch. Of course, I'm very pleased to be joined by Will Summer talking about his latest false flag

0:28.2

newsletter. Make sure you get Will's newsletter in your inbox. It's one of my favorite reads.

0:33.6

Two times a week. I cannot get enough. Will, what is going on in Maha land? There's some,

0:40.6

there's some drama between, uh, RFK Jr. and, uh, one of his big lieutenants, Del Bigtree.

0:47.5

Yeah. So this is, you know, make America healthy again. This is like like kind of RFK's

0:52.3

faction of MAGA. Um, And there has been a lot of drama

0:55.8

over the past few months. And this might be, you know, I don't know, maybe the biggest.

1:00.7

Del Bigtree, which what an evocative name, you know, looks kind of like a mountain man, big beard.

1:06.4

He is a guy who's maybe the most prominent anti-vaccine activist in the country besides

1:11.9

RFK himself. They were very close. He was the comms director for RFK's campaign. And so they're very

1:18.9

tight. And then a few weeks ago, Dell came out and said, I'm quitting the Make America

1:25.0

Healthy Again organization, which had a PAC and all this stuff.

1:28.5

It was basically set up to promote the RFK agenda.

1:31.5

So there seems to be some division there between RFK and sort of his top lieutenant.

1:39.0

Yeah.

1:39.7

And where does this division come from?

1:42.2

Because I mean, I think we all see what's happening with the world of vaccine and the anti-vaxxers.

1:49.3

And we're kind of like, what, you know, this is this, what is already happening is too much and too crazy.

1:54.2

But it's not enough for his, his most vocal allies, right?

1:59.9

Yeah, it's interesting.

2:01.1

There's this sort of this division among RFK supporters between the sort of hardcore anti-vaccine people,

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