MAGA and 'The Mission' of the intelligence community
Sources & Methods
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | ideology is the enemy of intelligence. |
| 0:07.5 | If you're an ideologue, your mind is made up. |
| 0:10.2 | You don't want to be confused with facts. |
| 0:13.1 | The MAGA movement, and its loyalty to President Trump, |
| 0:16.7 | could compromise the mission of the CIA. |
| 0:19.5 | So says Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Tim Weiner, |
| 0:22.3 | author of the recent book The Mission, the CIA in the 21st century. |
| 0:26.8 | I'm Sasha Pfeiffer. In for Mary Louise Kelly. |
| 0:29.2 | This is Sources and Methods from NPR. |
| 0:34.0 | Ideology represents just one of the challenges Winer lays out in his history of the modern CIA. |
| 0:39.3 | Another is technology. Gone are the days when a fake passport and a cover story are all a spy needs to get by. |
| 0:47.3 | So what is an ambitious intelligence officer to do in this era of cameras everywhere, of retinas scanners of AI. |
| 0:56.3 | Before we get to the answer, a heads up that this is our only episode this week. |
| 1:00.9 | We're off for the Thanksgiving holiday and back with our regular Thursday episode on December 4th. |
| 1:06.3 | And now here's Tim Weiner with Mary Louise Kelly. |
| 1:09.6 | How much harder is it these days for a spy to spy? |
| 1:13.8 | It's a challenge unlike any in the history of espionage, which goes back to when Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War 26 centuries ago. |
| 1:23.4 | Yeah. |
| 1:23.7 | And Sun Tzu said, no, your enemy. |
| 1:25.8 | Well, the problem is your enemy knows you. |
| 1:29.0 | An example of the challenges facing the CIA. |
| 1:32.3 | Twelve years ago, Chinese spies and hackers broke into the federal office of personnel management |
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