Mafia States of America | Episode 6 - "The Fall and the Faith"
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🗓️ 12 November 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Sammy Gravano and Michael Franzese face off on guilt, loyalty, legacy, and redemption in the most emotional episode of Mafia States of America.
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| 0:00.0 | Previously, on Mafia States of America. |
| 0:20.0 | What caused the fall of the mind? Was it Pistone? Was it Giuliani? Was it Volachi? |
| 0:26.6 | Mid-80s, racketeering law. When the government changed or leveled the playing field to a degree that we just couldn't keep up with it, |
| 0:34.6 | a guy gets convicted, he gets 10 years, 15 years, |
| 0:38.3 | he makes parole, he does 7, 8, 9, |
| 0:41.3 | anybody can do that kind of time. |
| 0:43.3 | When you change the playing field to where you bring in a law |
| 0:46.3 | like the RICO Act, that's very hard to defend. |
| 0:49.3 | To me, it's unconstitutional. |
| 0:51.3 | The fear of the government overpowered the fear that we had on the street. |
| 0:56.0 | And as a result, a lot of guys went the other way and you just couldn't overcome it. |
| 1:02.0 | Like any other great organization, they were, from their point of view, they were fortunate to have Luciano and Lanski, |
| 1:08.0 | one financial genius, the other one, |
| 1:11.6 | kind of an organizational genius, |
| 1:13.6 | put together a structure that was better than anybody else. |
| 1:16.6 | And if you followed their rules, they might still be. |
| 1:19.6 | Rudy was another guy. |
| 1:21.6 | You know, these guys, again, you're a prosecutor, |
| 1:25.6 | someone brings you a case, so be it. |
| 1:29.3 | He takes the law and he invents ways to, like he says, it's unconstitutional, to corrupt the law, to hurt these people. |
| 1:38.3 | America's sweet, America, |
| 1:46.0 | the United States are deep. |
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